Thursday, November 19, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 15

Another step forward on my journey through Men & Magic... an ongoing study of the Original D&D rules books, because ... well, I finally got around to it, and it's really pretty interesting!

Men & Magic
  • p22 - Spells Table for Clerics

    • First thing to notice is that there are some Cleric "Spells" (should they really be called that?) which have the same names as their Magical compatriots.  Interesting.  I wonder if they will prove to be any different in character or not.
    • Also note that there are far fewer Clerical Spells than Magic User Spells.  But of course Clerics are also Fighters, whereas Magic Users are not (unless they are Elven).  The total number of Clerical Spells is 26 as compared with 70 Magic User Spells.
    • Here's the Spell list broken down as best I can think of by Category:
      • Healing / Harming
        • Cure / Cause Light Wounds (1)
        • Cure / Cause Disease (3)
        • Neutralize Poison (4)
        • Cure / Cause Serious Wounds (4)
        • Raise Dead / Cause Death (5)
        • Insect Plague (5)
      • Detections
        • Detect Magic (1)
        • Detect Evil / Good (1)
        • Find Traps (2)
        • Locate Object (3)
      • Protections
        • Protection vs Evil / Good (1)
        • Protection vs Evil / Good 10' Radius (4)
      • Transmutations
        • Purify / Poison Food & Water (1)
        • Light (1)
        • Continual Light (3)
        • Turn Sticks to Snakes (4)
        • Create Water (4)
        • Create Food (5)
      • Mind Control
        • Hold Person (2)
        • Speak with Animals (2)
        • Speak with Plants (4)
      • Holy / Unholy
        • Bless / Curse (2) 
        • Remove Curse (3)
        • Dispel Evil / Good (5)
        • Commune (5)
        • Quest (5)
    • The Yellow Highlighted Cleric Spells are those that are shared with Magic Users.
    • Obviously the tenor of the Cleric Spells are, for Good Clerics, non-combat oriented, while for Evil Clerics there is a good deal of harm they can do with their Harming Spells. And whether Good or Evil, Insect Plague sounds like something that would be rather unpleasant I should say.
    • I will circle back around on this Spell list when the book gets back to them.  At the moment all we get on p22 is the raw list.
  • p22 - Clerics vs Undead Monsters

    • This chart lists the various kinds of Undead and how the various Levels of Cleric are able to handle them.  
      • T = Monster turned away, up to two dice in number
      • D = Dispelled / Dissolved, up to two dice in number
      • N = No Effect
    • This chart is so far the first one I think that is actually balanced straight across the chart without variation.  The number for the Roll goes from 7, to 9, to 11, and there are always two T's before the rolls start, and then Ds' while after the 11 there is always an N. Balanced is good.  Clearly the life of the Cleric is an orderly one.  :)
    • Note that this chart is entirely useless for Evil Clerics, the "entire effect being lost", and so Evil Clerics, regardless of the circumstances can not turn, or dispel Undead.  I would imagine based on this, that it is not unlikely that the Evil might come to regret their choice of Alignment one day, somehow.  Just a guess.
Well as there is not much I can think of to say further on this page, I will leave it at that.  The interesting stuff will come next time as I analyse the Spells lists, and compare the Magic User and Clerical Spells.  I'm particularly interested to see how the overlapping Spells compare.  

Ok, until next time... ciao, ciao, bella vita.  :)

Wednesday, November 11, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 14

It's been a hectic week, to be sure.  But here I am, ready to forge ahead again with my study, analysis and ruminations on OD&D.   Today I tackle Men & Magic p. 21 - the Spells Table.

Men & Magic 
  • p21 - Spells Table
    • Not much to say on this, and I don't think it's a worthy use of time to type out the table.  An image will do.

    • We a list of a variety of different kinds of Spells for Magic Users, ranging from first Level Spells to sixth.  The maximum number of spells for any level is 14, and there are a total of 70 spells.
    • At first Level the only offensive spell is Sleep, which does not damage the target.
    • At second Level we also have scarcely any offensive spells except, perhaps, for Phantasmal Forces.
    • At third Level we get our first combat magic in the form of Fireball and Lightning Bolt.
    • At fourth Level we have no offensive combat magic per say, though some of the spells could be used to help in combat (such as confusion, and Walls of Fire and Ice).
    • At fifth Level we have Cloud Kill, which is the only combat magic in the list.
    • At sixth Level we have Death Spell which certainly is intended be used in combat, along with Disintegrate.
    • In total out of 70 Spells listed the Magic User can obtain a total of 7 combat spells.  Or rather spells specifically designed for use in combat (though some of them may be used for other purposes as well, such as Phantasmal Forces).  Well folks, that ain't a lot of combat magic for the Magic Users.
    • The other spells range in effects and cover such things as detection of various sorts, protections of various kinds, transportation, mind control, transmute persons or the terrain in various ways, as well as a summoning spell.
    • The categories appear to be, therefore:
      • Offensive Combat
        • Sleep (1)
        • Fire Ball (3)
        • Lightning Bolt (3)
        • Cloud Kill (5)
        • Death Spell (6)
        • Disintegrate (6)
      • Detections
        • Detect Magic (1)
        • Read Magic (1)
        • Read Languages (1)
        • Detect Invisible (2)
        • Locate Object (2)
        • Detect Evil (2)
        • Infravision (3)
        • Wizard Eye (4)
      • Protections
        • Protection vs Evil (1)
        • Protection vs Evil 10' Radius (3)
        • Protection vs Normal Missiles (3)
        • Anti-Magic Shell (6)
      • Transmigration
        • Levitate (2)
        • Fly (3)
        • Slow Spell (3)
        • Haste Spell (3)
        • Dimension Door (4)
        • Teleport (5)
        • Pass Wall (5)
      • Mind Control
        • Charm Person (1)
        • Phantasmal Forces (2)
        • Invisibility (2)
        • ESP (2)
        • Hold Person (3)
        • Clairvoyance (3)
        • Clairaudience (3)
        • Invisibility 10' Radius (3)
        • Confusion (4)
        • Charm Monster (4)
        • Hallucinatory Terrain (4)
        • Hold Monster (5)
        • Telekenesis (5)
        • Contact Higher Plane (5)
        • Feeblemind (5)
        • Projected Image (6)
        • Geas (6)
      • Transmutation
        • Hold Portal (1)
        • Light (1)
        • Wizard Lock (2)
        • Continual Light (2)
        • Knock (2)
        • Dispel Magic (3)
        • Water Breathing (3)
        • Polymorph Self (4)
        • Polymorph Others (4)
        • Remove Curse (4)
        • Wall of Fire (4)
        • Wall of Ice (4)
        • Growth Plant (4)
        • Massmorph (4)
        • Transmute Rock to Mud (5)
        • Wall of Stone (5)
        • Wall of Iron (5)
        • Animate Dead (5)
        • Growth Animal (5)
        • Magic Jar (5)
        • Stone Flesh (6)
        • Lower Water (6)
        • Part Water (6)
        • Move Earth (6)
        • Control Weather (6)
        • Reincarnation (6)
      • Summoning
        • Conjure Elemental (5)
        • Contact Higher Plane (5)
        • Invisible Stalker (6)
    • First I have to admit my categorizations are probably a bit off, and some might find reason to increase their number in order to refine the list.  I was going for the simplest possible set of categories based on the spells I see.  I hope it will suffice, at least as a general outline.  That said, I continue ...
    • As we can see from the list, the lion's share of the spells are Transmutations and Mind Control.
    • I think this is interesting as it lends itself to a stylistic concept of magic as not being necessarily combat oriented.  Why should this be surprising?  Because the emphasis of OD&D appears to be on Battle Maps and combat.  I have to wonder, based on this spread of magic if that impression is entirely accurate.  It may be that the game as played was not really as focused on combat as I might have imagined.  I'm wondering if, in it's own way, back in the day, it was pretty much the same kind of story-oriented game as I play today, but with the simple distinction that the combats, when they occurred, would follow the Chaimail style of combat, with a focus on tactics and miniatures ... but that those combats were not necessarily every game and all game long.   Interesting indeed. 
Ok well that's it for today.  I'm so very busy lately.  What with trying to get my system finalized and such.  But still OD&D is so fascinating I can't help but want to complete my course of study/analysis and commentary.  I hope you are finding this of interest as well.

Wednesday, November 04, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 13

Onward and forward with my exploration of OD&D... notes, analysis and commentary...

Men & Magic 
  • p20 - 21 ... Saving Throw Matrix.

 The Classes are mixed in by level so it makes it a little hard to read. Here's a picture of the chart.

The idea here is pretty simple (I hope).  You look up the class and the level and cross reference that to the type of spell or power being used to find the number that must be rolled (or above) to be "Saved" from the full effects of the damnable whatsit.  So at 1st through 3rd Levels Fighters need to roll as 12 or better to be saved from Death Ray or Poison, and a 13 or above to be saved from Wands, and so on.  Magic-Users, on the other hand, between the Levels of 1 through 5 need a 13 or better to be saved from Death Ray or Poison.  And so on for each class at each level grouping.  Reasonably straightforward, except perhaps for the caveats as listed below the chart which talk about the exceptions.  That reads as follows:
"Failure to make the total indicated above results in the weapon having full effect, i.e. you are turned to stone, take full damage from dragon's breath, etc.  Scoring the total indicated above (or scoring higher) means the wpaon has no effect (death ray, polymorph, paralyzation, stone, or spell) or one-half effect (poison scoring one-half of the total possible hit damage and dragon's breath scoring one half- of it's full damage). Wands of cold, fire balls, lightning, etc, and staves are treated as indicated, but saving throws being made result in one-half damage"

I had to tie the programmer in me up and put him in a closet for the next section. Dr. McCoy has given him a hypo-sedative and Mr. Spock is standing by with a nerve pinch in case he tries to escape. He's gone full loco on this one. At any rate, lets take a look at the Saving Throw Matrix. First thing to notice is that this is a bit of a sloppy chart. My usual quibbles come to mind immediately.  Foremost, the structure of the thing is kind of horrid as it mixes both Level Groupings and Classes in a way that makes the chart hard to read, though I can understand the logic of why they did so;  save space.  If they broke it out logically (as I will do shortly) then it would be three charts, not one.  And the Level Groupings would be easier to distinguish.  With the chart as it is, I can imagine that there's been many a time where the GM thought their eye scanned the correct line, but didn't, and the numbers were off.  Since the Referees roll (according to the rules in this book) and not the players, the players would of course never be the wiser.  Yet with a chart like this the chances of making mistakes is unusually high.  That said, it does achieve the goal of saving space, and so I think we can forgive the fledgling TSR on their wish to save some money on printing costs by making charts as tight as possible.  Sort of.  I guess.  Maybe.  Hmmm... obviously, I'm really not so sure about that.  

I notice that the chart uses "Fighting-Men" only once, and then changes to "Fighters" which is the first time in the book that term is applied, so I now feel comfortable referring to Fighters going forward.

Lets take a closer look at the spreads.  Once again we have entered the Erratic Zone.  To make the analysis a little easier I once again translated the chart into Excel, and broke it down into a more detailed form so that it can be analyzed properly.  Not that there's that much here to analyze really, but it might turn up something of interest to do so, that might not be noticeable at first glance, especially given the rather horrid structure of the chart (yes, that the programmer in me shrieking from the closet, but try not to let him bother you).

Here's the chart in it's more detailed form:

You will notice that I split the chart into one for each class, and delineating the Levels, and also included at the bottom the differences between the Saving Throw values for each level grouping below each chart.

It's a bit hard to tell, but looking at the bottom set of charts you can see that in some cases the difference is 2, in some cases 3, in one case there's a 4, and in one case there's a 5.  I won't go through the usual pet peeve I have about this kind of erratic number jumping as I already covered that in previous posts. The programmer in the closet will just say "Yuck!" and we'll move on.  I might go on to also suggest my theory that not every GM who has used OD&D has necessarily noticed the number jumping, and I think this would be likely if they simply used the chart to do the fast look ups and never really scrutinized the chart carefully for variations in point spreads.  When you look at the chart as it is presented in the book it is not readily clear that the points spreads jump around the way they do.  This, again, has to do with the fact that the structure of the chart makes it a little hard to read.

Lets take a look at the graphs that show the differences.

So what we can see here is the spread is erratic.  We know that.  But what does this information tell us about how Gygax and Arenson conceived of the Saving Throws?

1.  The three classes are very distinct from one another in terms of Saving Throws.

2.  Fighters usually advance 2 points for every level and against every type of attack, except for Stoning and Dragon's breath.  This suggests that for Fighters stoning and dragon's breath are a bit easier for them to defend against than the other types of powers, though to be honest, in that case I'm rather surprised that Death Ray and Poisons didn't make the grade for that distinction.  I wonder why?  I would think that Fighters would have a better chance being heartier with higher hit points and a better constitution ... in particular vs poisons.  Hmmm... ok.  Maybe it was arbitrary.  Or maybe I simply don't quite understand the logic behind the distinction.  That's the more likely explanation, frankly.

3. Magic Users get a really big boost vs Staves and Spells.  Well, that makes sense.  Against everything else its pretty much even across the board.

4. Clerics are a bit more jumpy, but it looks like at certain levels they get advantages over Fighters, but Magic Users still trump them.  So Clerics are in between Fighters and Magic-Users, except that Fighter get their bumps at different levels than Clerics.

5. The bumps for Fighters and Clerics seem distributed between the levels randomly, sometimes being in the second levels grouping, sometimes in the third or fourth.  Magic-Users seem to have a steadier bump pattern at least, where the biggest bumps are at the highest levels.  To my mind that actually makes the most sense.  If I were going to redesign these charts to make them conform a little bit more to my ascetic sense I would try to pack the larger jumps into the higher levels.  But again, as I mentioned before, the purpose of these jumps may be simply to give the players something to say "Oh Yeah!" about at certain levels.

Ok, that's probably good for today.  We've managed to advance to page 21, but the next section is the spells list, and that's probably going to be something I want to discuss at length.  Maybe. We'll see.

Tuesday, November 03, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 12

Continuing my journey through OD&D with notes, analysis and commentary...

Men & Magic

p19 - 20 - Analysis 

I'd like to take a quick look again at what we just covered in Part 11 because I think it's often a good thing to get out the old microscope and see what devils are hiding in the details. Don't you? So lets take a peek under the hood.

Looking at the Men vs Men Attack Matrix I think we should notice, perhaps not instantly, but after a few moments of staring, that there is yet another odd and inexplicable (for me), and slightly obscure, jumping around in the numbers involved here.

Here's the Chart broken down with a slightly higher level of detail (which in and of itself revealed nothing anomalous in the spread of levels, in other words each levels set is even at 3 levels without variance).

Nothing to see here, ... except ... hmmm... what's this? Lets look at the spread of the values between the levels grouping for second.

The lines look even, but I notice there is a slight variance in there. Lets try from another angle.

Still not quite clear enough but you can if you look, notice there is a jump in the difference between the levels groupings in there. Notably between the 2nd and 3rd grouping, and again between the 5th and 6th grouping. Hm. Lets look at it this way:

Aha! There it is. Quite clear now. The differences jump. Between 1-3 and 4-6 the difference is 2. But between 4-6 and 7-9 it's 3. Then it goes back to 2 for the next two level groups, and then returns to 3 for the last set. Whyyyy? Why they do that to me? I don't know. Why not keep it even? An even jump for all levels of either 2 or 3? Well for one thing, since they wanted to go from 17 to 5, and that value doesn't iron out evenly, it may be simply that this was the best fit for the spread they wanted. And yes, it's a bit erratic, but gets the spread they wanted. But why that spread? Why not go from 17 to 4? Or 18 to 5? Or something like that in order to get the spread even so there's no jumping between the level groups? I don't know. I'm curious enough to toy around with this and see what happens. Hold on.

This is what the chart would look like if they had chosen an even spread, starting at 18 and going to 3. Obviously at the lower end where the negative values start coming into play probably presented the designers with a problem. (Note that all values below 1 get converted to 1 in the actual chart). So instead of having 1 starting at Chain & Shield, we would find 1 starting at Leather & Shield. This was probably simply unacceptable to Gygax and Arneson on the grounds that the game would then become too lopsided with a tendency to eliminate the distinctions required between the lower armor classes when encountering higher level attackers. In other words it means that 11th Level Fighting-Men would always hit when encountering opponents in no armor. In the original chart, however, 11th Level Fighting-Men need a 3 or better to hit the same non-armored character. I"m not sure how vastly different the game would play out were they to have used this chart instead of the original, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't have made that great a difference in the game. And if not, I would have preferred, once again, a smooth and even progression, rather than a jagged one. But, as I've noticed along the way, jagged edges in the numbers seems to be part and parcel of the OD&D rules. Why? Maybe they just liked jagged lines. That could very well be, and I'm going to suggest that we not fault them for it. While not mathematically balanced, it may very well be that the jagged lines created satisfying bumps and valleys in the numerics of the game, and that the players liked when they got a bump, disliked when they hit a valley, and this feature was something of a delight for Gygax and Arneson as it created more emotional content related to the mechanics. "Woah, yeah! This level I get a bump of 3! Sweeet!"

On the other hand, putting on my programmer's hat again, I'm going to come out and say it. BLEH. I don't like the hills and the vales in the numerics of the game. It makes everything ad hoc, and so you can't create a formula to generate the charts. You have to create tables in the database and manually enter the values. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Don't like.

But that's the programmer in me talking. Feel free to ignore him.

Ok so now I want to take a quick look at the Monsters Attacking chart. And this is where they really make the programmer in me cry. Wahhhh.

First off they switched from using Levels to Monster Hit Dice. That alone would suck enough (programmer talk), but what really gets my goat is the spread. Maybe I don't understand this chart (very likely, actually). But what it looks like is the spreads go as follows:

Dice Up to 1 (how can you have dice less than one, btw?)
1 + 1
2 - 3
3 - 4 (wait. hold on. what? Why isn't this 4 - 5? How do I know if the monster is 3 dice which to use?)
4 - 6
6 - 8
9 - 10 (wait. hold on again. WTF?? now it goes from 9?! Holy mackerel! What the hell? *sob*)
11 & 1 (again the 'normal' jump! At this point I can only stare blankly and blink slowly, slack jawed and drooling.)

Okaaaay. That was weird. But lets ignore it! Hah! Why? Because I don't get it. I'm obviously missing something. Clearly I don't know how this chart gets used. And so I can't understand why the numbers are staggering. If I had to use these rules out of the box without help, at this point I would be stuck. I would simply tell my players, "Ok when the monsters come, the universe is going to get very confused while you fight them. Sometimes it will think they are hitting you at one level, sometimes at the next level, except at certain levels where then the universe will be sure of itself again. Ok? Great. Here come the trolls. Good luck."

And again that whiny programmer in me is all like "omg omg omg" and stuff. Lets ignore him. He can go sit with Mr. Spock and they can shake their heads in dismay together over there.

Before I finish, though, I want to look at the spreads and see what that pans out to be as well. I'm going to guess there will be something like the same anomalies as we found in the Men Attacking Chart, but as you know, I like to pick at this stuff with a fine tooth microscope, just to be absolutely sure.

Another (programmer) insanity inducing thing about the Monster Attacking chart is that the spreads are not even either. Sometimes the spread is 1 level, sometimes 2 levels, and other times 3 levels. The programmer in me ran off shrieking, so we don't have to worry about him for the moment.

Lets take a look at the charts.

Ok so there we have it.  The anomalous patterns, as predicted.  It's ok.  I'm used to it now.  And there may well be good game-reasons for it.  Programmer-me has stopped shrieking and is over in the corner sulking, but I sent Dr. McCoy with Spock to help the poor guy out.  He'll be fine.  But I suspect he won't take the job of programming this system for anything less than 200k / year with plenty of benefits and lots of vacation time (to de-stress).

Alrighty then, I think that covers it for today.   So far so good.  I'm gaining a much better understanding of OD&D, and I do hope this is helping others to do so as well.  A lot of you who are reading this, of course, already know OD&D backwards and forwards and much better than I do, so please continue to pipe in with your corrections and comments.  It's very helpful to me.   Thanks!

Monday, November 02, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 11

Onward with my reading, analysis and conjectures of OD&D...

Men & Magic
  • p19 - Statistics Regarding Classes (continued)
    • Spells & Levels
      • The chart column indicates the number of spells at each level that the magic-user or cleric can be used (rembered during any single adventure).  Spells used once may not be used again the same day.
      • Note: If I don't miss my guess Vancian Magic starts here.  The definition being as follows:  "A form of magic based on the existence of spells that must be prepared in advance, for specific purposes, and that can be used a finite number of times." (reference  This concept of magic is, to the best of my knowledge, quite arbitrary, and has lead over the years to quite a few conundrums.  I'm not that well versed in the topic, however, so will leave the debate to others.  I will simply comment that I never really was especially fond of the Vancian modality for RPG Mystical types.  Why the Vancian system was chosen for OD&D may simply be a matter of Gygax and Arneson liking Jack Vance's novels.  As a game mechanic, I always found it a bit stultifying.
    • Levels Above Those Listed
      • Meh... this section is a complicated textual exposition on levels advancement beyond those listed.  I'm tempted to type it verbatim so you can see it for yourselves.  Ok ok...
      • "Progressions of Dice of Accumulative Hits, Fighting Capability, and Spells & Levels may not be evident. An 11th Level Lord would get 10+3 dice and fight as he did at the 10th level; but at 12th level, he could get 11 + 1 dice and fight at Super Hero + 2. At 13th level dice would be 11 + 3 with Fighting Capability at Super Hero + 2. A 17th level Wizard would get 9 + 3 dice no change in fighting Capabilities - the change coming at the 19th level, fighting then being done at + 3. An 11th level Patriarch would get dice of 7 + 3 with Fighting Capability unchanged; at 12 level dice would be 8 + 1 with no change in fighting; and at 13th level the Patriarch would get 8 + 2 and fight as a Super Hero - the next change in Fighting Capability coming at 17th level."
      • Spell progression is then covered. in similar fashion.
      • Note:  This will require me some time to digest.  I may want to do a bit of analysis on this to see if I can tweeze out whatever the guiding principal of this rule is.  I'm sure (well, not I"m not at all sure) that there is a pattern here that could be described in a way so as to make sense of how to figure this out.  Or it's totally arbitrary.  Not sure at the moment, but it looks arbitrary to me at first glance.
    • The alternate system is based on the relative combat capabilities of the combatants (offensive and defensive); such things as speed, ferocity, and weaponry are subsumed into the matrixes. There are two charts, one for men vs men or monsters, and one for monsters vs men.

    • Note that the objective here is to roll above the number listed.  So accordingly, Plate armor and a shield are bulky as heck and it's harder to hit things when you're wielding all of that.  No armor or shield, on the other hand, gives a significant advantage in terms of ability to strike the opponents.  Interesting.  Monsters work the same way.  Notice that Armor Classes are listed as low = the most armor, with 9 being the least.  I'd have done it the opposite way and make 0 AC no armor so that I could always add higher armor classes later if I felt the need without having to drop to negative numbers (tank armor for example would be something like -10 in the current system).  But at any rate seems reasonably straight forward in terms of a look up chart.  My beef with it is essentially that it's simply not well rationalized.  I'd hate, for example, to have to program this system because it's so picayune and difficult.  
    • Also note, oddly, that the AC 9 vs 11&1 (whatever that means) is 0.  You can't roll a zero, I don't think.  So in effect it means "always hits", which in effect is the same thing as the 1.  What's odd is that the top chart shows 1's whereas the bottom chart includes the 0.  No idea why.  Typo, maybe.
Ok that's probably enough for today.  I need to sit down and look this over some.  It's a bit convoluted so I'm not sure what kind of analysis to do on it.  I'll just leave off with the observation that it's both complicated and simple at the same time.  The mechanisms of play, in other words, are simple enough - you look up something on a chart and get the number to roll above.  The convoluted part has to do with the numeric progressions and unevenness of the math.  For example, did you notice that on the Men vs Men chart the 10-12 column starts at 10 instead of 11?  Why did they skip 11?  Hmmm... unevenness just bothers me.  I'm too much of a programmer to feel comfortable with that kind of thing, I guess.  Ah well, I'll just go over and sit with Mr. Spock in the corner and commiserate for a while.   "It seems highly illogical".  "Indeed, it does."

Edit:  Ok my friends out on the IntArW3bZ tell me that I have misinterpreted the way that chart should be read.  The correct reading is ... 

"Plate and shield are harder to hit ... a 3rd level fighter needs a 17 or higher to hit an opponent in plate with shield, but only needs a 12 to hit a target in leather armor"


"The more armor the target is wearing, the higher you need to roll... not because you are encumbered, but because they are a harder target. Off of those charts, there's no stated penalty or bonus to your attack roll when armored, only a target you need to meet or exceed."

 So yes, I really had the wrong interpretation of this chart.  The way you should read it is "If my Character is X Level, this is what he needs to roll above in order to hit Armor Class X".  

I kinda had it backwards there.  Thanks guys for clarifying how the chart works!

Thursday, October 29, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 10

This morning I would like to continue with a look at the Hit Dice per class. Last night I ran an analysis in Excel that shows the relative values of Hit Dice per Level for each of the three main classes. What I did not do was calculate the cumulative totals per level. Today, out of curiosity, I decided to take a look. The results are interesting. Let's take a gander at what I found. Or think I found, at any rate. I won't consider this entirely validated until someone out there is kind enough to verify that I got the calculations right and that these numbers are indeed correct. But with that caveat aside, and on the expectation that my method was not flawed, lets see how things panned out for our three Classes.

Let start with the Minimum where every roll turns out to be to the player's great horror, a 1 on every roll:

Now lets look at the average, where the player rolls the average, to the player's resigned acceptance, which is 3.5 on each roll (average for 1d6 is 3.5). Note these numbers are of course not valid as no one can literally roll a 3.5, however it serves as a way to mark the average, and we will have to live with the decimal values. The important thing is to look at the relationships between the Fighting-Men, Magic-Users, and Clerics at any rate. Here's the results:

Lastly we will look at the Maximal values, where to the players astonished delight, they roll a 6 on every roll:

What stands out here is that the Magic-User in the end not only has the most Power in that they can cast 30 Spells (but not use weapons other than a dagger, nor wear armor) but the 16th Level Wizard also has the most cumulative Hit Points! Yes, indeed, that original comment that the Wizards turn out to be the most powerful is quite true. The Wizard has 71 for the max at 16th Level, as compared with 69 for the Fighting-Man at his max Level (10). But wait. We can not be too hasty. Remember, these rules are complicated, and they have lots of nooks and crannies.

We were just told on p18 "There is not theoretical limit to how high a character can progress." Thus, Fighting-Men are not limited at 10th Level at all. Only certain Races have those limits. So for Men the sky is the limit. I'm going to therefore extrapolate on the exiting chart (as is recommended on p11) and fill in the blanks for the Fighting-Man to level 16. I will add pluses as seems to fit within the pattern of the chart. Lets see what happens.

Here is the revised Hit Dice Advancement Chart:

Now lets look at our three charts again.




Notice, though, that how you set the values for the Pluses after 10th Level for the Fighters and Clerics does happen to make a big difference in the outcome. Here I set them minimally because the trend at the end of the original Fighting-Men chart (by 10th Level) trended downward, indicating that pluses thereafter should be minimized. Maybe. If I set them to something more in keeping with the overall concept that Fighting-Men are Tough Guys, I might be tempted to give them a +1 every level after 10th, with some extra heft when they get to 15th and 16th, which would reflect the original pattern a bit better. Here's the results:




So there we have it. As we can see, at equal Levels in fact Fighters stand at the top of the heap, as is just right and proper. Clerics and Magic-Uses are far closer to one another, and in fact they trade places along the way up the Levels ladder. Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.

Ok that's enough for today. I have other fish to fry!

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Wednesday, October 28, 2015

Notes on OD&D - Part 9

Onward with my notes, analysis and ruminations on OD&D...

Men & Magic
    • This page is a chart that shows several important bits of information for each of the three primary classes Fighting-Men, Magic-Users, and Clerics (on the next page).  It lists the Levels for each class and shows the Level Name (which, as discussed previously, appear to be monikers without much meaning other than as a name to peg the Level on), the Dice for Accumulative Hits, the Fighting Capability, and finally the number of Spells that can be learned at which Level per Level of advancement.
    • There isn't really that much to be said about this, other than perhaps to note that the advancements are not exactly even between Levels as some give a bigger jump in advancement than others.  For example, Accumulative Hit Dice for Fighting Men goes up as follows:
      • Veteran ... 1 + 1
      • Warrior ... 2
      • Swordsman ... 3
      • Hero ... 4
      • Swachbuckler ... 5 + 1
      • Myrmidon ... 6
      • Champion ... 7 + 1
      • Super Hero ... 8 + 2
      • Lord ... 9 + 3
      • Lord, 10rh Level ... 10 + 1
Why this progression was chosen is a mystery.  My only guess is that it may have tended to cause the Players to get especially excited about advancing to, lets say 5th Level, where they get that pretty neat +1.  They won't see that again until Champion.  And just beyond that is Super Hero were they get a +2.  On the other hand, I would imagine that Lord 10th Level might have felt like something of a let down, after that awesome +3 on achieving Lord.  So, it's hard to say. 
  • It is notable that Magic-Users at 16th Level will not have as many Hit Dice (9 + 2) as 9th Level Fighting-Men (9 + 3).  One might say that Fighting-Men are twice as hearty as Magic-Users. Of course this is to balance out the fact that Magic Users get to use Spells, which we know from the initial comments in the book can become the most powerful of all the characters at higher levels.  We are also told, in so many words, that the Magic-User's aim to ensure protection by the Fighting-Men until they can Level high enough to become really powerful.  
  • Magic-Users can learn 1 1st Level Spell at 1st Level
  • Clerics can not learn any Spells at 1st Level, and get 1 at 2nd Level
  • Magic-Users can get 5 of each Level of the six levels of Spell at their maximum Level (16th), which gives them a total of 30 Spells.  That's a goodly number.
  • Clerics on the other hand can only have 3 of each of the first 5 Levels of Spell at their maximum Level (10th), which gives them a total of 15 Spells, or half the number of the most powerful Magic-User.  On the other hand Clerics can fight with more weapons, and are better Fighters than Magic-Users can be (excepting Elvish ones).   
  • At 10th Level have Hit Dice of 7 + 2, whereas the Magic-User at 10th Level has Hit Dice of 7. That + 2 for Clerics, by the way, does not add up to 14 extra Hit Points.  That would be Hefty.  Instead we find out soon enough that the pluses only get added once, and not per die.  Ah well.
Ok, so now I want to see how this plays out for three cases. Average Hits per Class, Maximum Hits per Class,and Minimum Hits per Class.  Average rolls on 1d6 are 3.5.  Max is 6 and min, of course, is 1.  So lets see what this looks like.  First here's the spread by class for Hits and Pluses.

Now lets look at Average Hits Per Class

Now for Maximum (where every roll was a 6)

Now lets look at Minimum (where every roll is a 1)

Note: these charts are not showing the accumulated points per level.  They are showing the relative values per Class.  I'm curious to see what the cumulative points would look like, but I'm afraid it's a bit too late to get into that tonight.  I may take that up tomorrow and see what I can come up with.

As there isn't that much more to say on this page (it is only the chart), I'll move on.
  • p18 - Explanations for lements of the Chart
    • Experience Points
      • Experience Points are awarded to to "players" (as opposed to Player Characters, which I suspect is a typo) by the referee with appropriate bonuses or penalties for Prime Requisite Scores (as seen in the previous section on p11).
      • Defeating monsters in combat and collecting treasure awards "Experience".
      • The accumulation of Experience gradually moves the Characters upwards through their Levels.
      • Experience Gains are earned relative to their Level.  So a 8th Level Magic-User operating on the 5th dungeon level would earn 5/8 Experience. 
      • An example of Experience Calculation is given.  It is a bit convoluted. In fact, to be frank, it's a bit of a nightmare.  Let me see if I understand it.
        • 8th Level Magic-User operating on the 5th Level of the Dungeon
        • Gains 7000 Gold by defeating a troll (7th Level with 6 hit dice)
        • Since it is 7th Level the calculation is 7/8 rather than 5/8
        • Here's the Calculation as the book handles it:
          • 7000 G.P. + 700 (for killing the troll)
          • 7700 / 8 = 962.5 (divide by the Character Level, I guess)
          • 962.5 x 7 = 6037.5.
        • Note: I'm not sure why we multiplied by 7 at the end.  Maybe because the troll is 7th level.  I guess.
      • Experience is never awarded above a 1 to 1 basis.  So even if a Character kills a higher level monster he won't receive more experience than the treasure + the monster's kill value.
      • It is also recommended that no character receive more experience in one session than will suffice to raise them up one level.  
Comments:  The instructions are not entirely clear on how exactly to preform the calculation for experience gains, but picking over the example it seems that the formula would be:

Experience = ((Gold + Monster Kill Value) / Character Level) * Monster Level

Lets take a look at this more carefully.

Well, ok.  Looks like someone was not all that good at math, or someone was not all that good at proof reading.  Or both.  But 7 x 962.5 does not equal 6037.5... it equals 6737.5.  Ok no problem. Typos happen.  It's ok.  But what's really puzzling me is the convolution in the way this was calculated.  According to the description I would have thought the formula would have been this:

Experience = ((Gold + Monster Kill Value) * (Monster Level / Character Level)

What would that turn out to be? Ahhhh it is the same.  Ok.  So the two formulas produce the same number.  Fine. Fine.  Ok.  Spot check complete.  Seems legit (other than the typo).  Lets move on.
    • Levels
      • There is no theoretical limit to how high a character may progress.  
      • Um ... so there is no limit to Levels advancement, other than the limits listed for Hobbits (4th), Dwarves (6th Level Fighting-Man) and Elves (4th Level Fighting-Man, 8th Level Magic-User). In other words, Men are unlimited by the Level they can achieve, while all other races are limited.  Ok. Got it.  
      • When characters advance beyond the listed Levels (for example beyond Patriarch 10th Level for Clerics, then you just give it the next logical name ... Patriarch 20th Level, or what have you.  Ok, check.
    • Dice for Accumulative Hits (Hit Dice)
      • This indicates the number of dice rolled to determine the hit points for the character.  The pluses are merely the number of pips to add to the total of all the dice rolled, not to each die.  So you roll the dice, add all of them up, and then add whatever the bonus number is to that tally and that gives you the total.
      • Note: well, that certainly puts less umph behind those plusses!  Hehe.
    • Fighting Capacity
      • This is used in Conjunction with the Chainmail rules, and may be modified by the D&D rules in various places.  
      • An Alternate Combat system is also given in the D&D book "for those who prefer a different method".
Ok, that's about it for today.  For those who don't have the book and are curious as to what the chart actually looks like (I would be, I'm pretty sure), here are some photos...

I'm also including the paragraph that explains Experience Points so that you can validate my interpretation.

Ok and with that, having no further thoughts on this at the moment, I will call it a day.  I'm really finding this a rather fascinating exercise.